How to: Raid pulls.

Reminds me of a previous guild i was in...
I love the idea / general raid view of this guild


http://warcraftmovies.com/download.php?id=102121&mirror=2

Well thetrouble with our raiding is that half the people dont know wht to do, and if we do know we do it a bit wrong like last time!
Ok so no more breaks when instancing with me will be one insane run, you asked for it and youll have it. Just dont blame me when Zu or Buc die again. Only thing Ill look at will be your mana, and one it gets down to 1/3 which I bealive never happened Ill stop for you to drink!

Teshija wrote:Well thetrouble with our raiding is that half the people dont know wht to do, and if we do know we do it a bit wrong like last time!
Ok so no more breaks when instancing with me will be one insane run, you asked for it and youll have it. Just dont blame me when Zu or Buc die again. Only thing Ill look at will be your mana, and one it gets down to 1/3 which I bealive never happened Ill stop for you to drink!

Exactly! " Uselessness will not be tolerated "

Akaris wrote: " Uselessness will not be tolerated "

Well i guess ill be off then you will have my resignation from the guild in a day or to...

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On a more seriuse note i say the clipe hade some good points espacialy in the AFK asspect...

Leanah1 wrote:

Akaris wrote: " Uselessness will not be tolerated "

Well i guess ill be off then you will have my resignation from the guild in a day or to...

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Note that they killed Maexxna at her first stun
We killed her at her 5th or 6th
Fishy....

Twila wrote:Note that they killed Maexxna at her first stun
We killed her at her 5th or 6th
Fishy....

Guess this movie was filmed when they had Nax on farm dont really think its their very first run!

Teshija wrote:

Twila wrote:Note that they killed Maexxna at her first stun
We killed her at her 5th or 6th
Fishy....

Guess this movie was filmed when they had Nax on farm dont really think its their very first run!

She stunns evey 30 or 40s... this means they killed her in a minute?

As she said, they're not clad in the best gear in the game.

They have the tactics down to a tee - Just goes to show how much a guild can do with the right people.

Note: Maybe we should position that boss down near the western wall, so that the people who are cacooned can be released quicker by the DPS positioned on the boss...Just a thought.

Ye on that boss the recommendation IS to position her next to wall, but on fights we were in that was kinda hard.

One second she was fighting me and other she was still targeting me but she started to walk away And it happened fairly often. Maybe it was some kinda bug that day

First of all i have lernd some new mage tactic on Max so next time i can take care of tha mobbs spider that spawn i just do a frost nova followed by blizzard.... it demends some timing but more often then not i make it stick ....

On the second note i think all in the guild should take a lock on special tactic that there class can do in Naxx i find to so far for mages that i think kan be good to use... and i think this will help use realy mutch....

On a third not i was thinking on posting this separatly but i think i can take it up knowe just as well

Confidens: What dose this meen? Its the abbilaty not the illusion to see what you/we are capebel of, beliving in it and then carry it out even though its hard...
Why am i bringing this upp cause i think we lake it big time bouth as a group and as induvidual players (Not in IRL but on our characters). We are all smart and pationt to at least some degree... An compaird to what i seen we are not that underd gear ether... So whats missing some tactic and experiens and bouth can be found in raiding and one can only be found in raiding... So i think we should stop underestimate our self and i think the goal for our next Naxx run most be "a full run" As the clipe abouve sad bordom is a mutch bigger breadingground for mistake than speed and chalages.... We most step up a notch in that aspect that we take personal responsabilety for a succseful run and demand the same from the rest of the raid members. We most trust in our abilaty and the abilaty of man standing next to use. So i say for the next run lets preper our self for a full Naxx run by viewing some tactics for all the raid bosses and be preperd to take them all on. We tried humilaty and caution no lets try confidens and overreaching....

Ofc This is ment for thouse that have time for a raid run. Sining up for a run is still completly voluntary and thers no pressur what so ever we all have lives of our owen...

Leanah1 wrote: We most trust in our abilaty and the abilaty of man standing next to use. So i say for the next run lets preper our self for a full Naxx run by viewing some tactics for all the raid bosses and be preperd to take them all on.

Yea and if you say you are on then not go off running with other group!

Sorry it was just asking me to tell this

Basicly I agree, thats why i think OS with drakes is in order and to start chain pulls and speed instance badge runs.
(OFC later only possible with good geared helaer and tank)

Leanah1 wrote:First of all i have lernd some new mage tactic on Max so next time i can take care of tha mobbs spider that spawn i just do a frost nova followed by blizzard.... it demends some timing but more often then not i make it stick ....

On the second note i think all in the guild should take a lock on special tactic that there class can do in Naxx i find to so far for mages that i think kan be good to use... and i think this will help use realy mutch....

On a third not i was thinking on posting this separatly but i think i can take it up knowe just as well

Confidens: What dose this meen? Its the abbilaty not the illusion to see what you/we are capebel of, beliving in it and then carry it out even though its hard...
Why am i bringing this upp cause i think we lake it big time bouth as a group and as induvidual players (Not in IRL but on our characters). We are all smart and pationt to at least some degree... An compaird to what i seen we are not that underd gear ether... So whats missing some tactic and experiens and bouth can be found in raiding and one can only be found in raiding... So i think we should stop underestimate our self and i think the goal for our next Naxx run most be "a full run" As the clipe abouve sad bordom is a mutch bigger breadingground for mistake than speed and chalages.... We most step up a notch in that aspect that we take personal responsabilety for a succseful run and demand the same from the rest of the raid members. We most trust in our abilaty and the abilaty of man standing next to use. So i say for the next run lets preper our self for a full Naxx run by viewing some tactics for all the raid bosses and be preperd to take them all on. We tried humilaty and caution no lets try confidens and overreaching....

Ofc This is ment for thouse that have time for a raid run. Sining up for a run is still completly voluntary and thers no pressur what so ever we all have lives of our owen...

I agree - We should go all out on our raids. Why just go for 2 wings? If we can't down a boos, move to another even if its " harder ".

But i wana point out some things that will hinder this sort of thinking and progression.

1, Pugs. We can't expect every pug to know the tactics on all fights, or atleast how we want to do it. So this slows us down, causes wipes and people get tired.

2, If we do a full guild run, everyone. Everyone. Must know the tactics, we can't have 4/10 prepped with tactics / food / pots and more inportantly time, trying to do every boss reguardless of success. To have the other 6 not knowing the tactics, not having enough time, not commiting.
Its not fair on Buc who'll be typing out the tactics for the other 6. Its not fair on he 4 that have learned the tactics, shifted things in RL to get time, who's fully prepped. Remember we do this as a guild, we can't have it both ways.

Imo...we can do things alot faster, yet at a quicker pace. Which will take us out of our " comfort zone " from clearing trash, pack by pack. But theres no reason to be wofting along at a snails pace - We wana do bosses. Screw the trash, lets go do bosses!

Main things that slow us down are:

AFK - Sure important things, food, using the loo, phone. Bored? Tough!
Typing tactics - Stop doing it imo.
Finding pugs - Untill we get a full guild run, then its tough. Don't come and moan that you gota leave cause it took too long, when you knew it may happen in the first place.

Those reasons are what i mean by out of our " comfort zone ", yet it'll save time.

I am with Aka on this one, and feeling a bit same.

I have my flasks prepared a long time ago for raid, though I use only one! Which lasts me 4 hours even through death so its good. Drifting away from what I meant to say. Yea when we Pug we do depending on pug.

But we cant move around bosses and go to next one since doors are closed within instance and I know that you must have cleared all 4 wings to get to Kelthuzad and that dragon before him. Think its the same here you cant go in another wing if you didnot clear the one before it. Remember we tried to skip that dancing boss and we couldnt doors were locked!

As for reading tactics I did up untill 4 hoursmen + patcwerk. And imo we have to be more focused on boss fights + we must have VENT at least for listening purposes (+ it will make some fight whole lot easier). While we PUG we do it depending on numbers of silly people there but for guild run, yea all should be prepared. None of us have a clear picture on tactics until you survive it for the first time so read up on it and we go, we die we are 1 death smarter, and there are always some good shift in tacts on Vent goin on!

Yeah ther will be whipes and you might not knowe everything from reading tactic but its a good start...
on the question of bosses i think Aka ment if we forinstens dont downe the last boss in plauge we can move over to constuction or military... Strangly enough pepoul tend to do construction ahead of military...

And yes Tes next week i will be raiding whit you....) dont fell jelouse you knowe the only tank for me.... .

Seriously i think we are mutch better geard then the tanks, healers and dps out there...

Good point about not being able to move on without downing all the wing - All the more reason to try harder.

I agree on the wiping part. Yes we're gona wipe, but thats just part of the process.

But vent + tactics for the wing we're on isn't alot to ask, i think it's easyier to get to grips with the tactics if you read them yourself. Rather then having them read to you.

Terminal laziness (and, in reality, the fact that reading from the same page is a good thing) prompts me to ask for anyone that has good links to tactics to post em

I personally haven't read up on any tactics, though as a general rule 'KEEP EVERYONE ALIVE, ESPECIALLY THE MT' seems to have stood me in good stead so far

Its not the idea of " Doesn't involve me - Don't wana know ". Its the idea that you can give some input if we struggle to down the boss.

If you don't know the tactics, then you can't figure out why we failed. For exmaple...

I only Buc knew the tactics, how would he decide what was going wrong? After all he can't ask the raid cause they don't know any better.


Not only that, but boss tactics can sometimes be applied to other encounters. Saving time and wipes in the long run.

Temple wrote:
I personally haven't read up on any tactics, though as a general rule 'KEEP EVERYONE ALIVE, ESPECIALLY THE MT' seems to have stood me in good stead so far

would not be that simple on Loatheb ... for example

Akaris wrote:Its not the idea of " Doesn't involve me - Don't wana know ".

I seem to have mis-aimed my comment, it was meant light heartedly . My outlook definitely is NOT that I'm not interested if it doesn't involve me . Tbh if I'm part of the raid (and the fact that I'm a control freak), I want to know what to expect.

In my defence the raid encounters I've been on so far were short notice jobbies ("there's 10 of us on - lets go VOA") where I didn't have time to look for tactics first, and in honesty I felt rather uncomfortable not knowing what to expect, my confidence bolstered only by knowing Aka was there too .

I've yet to experience the same kind of crapping myself and responsibility I feel as a healer than in any other role i've ever played in an MMO, much as it's a game, I take my part in it and the team quite seriously (saddo that I am). This is why I only roll on Pally healer gear and not DPS or Tank even if offspec rolls are allowed (which I think surprised ppl in the run the other day) - I'm ONLY thinking in terms of healing until I feel I'm getting it right.

I posted previously that from other games I'm more used to having a post mortem after each fight (read: boss) giving each person an opportunity to voice their opinion on what happened and what could be done more effectively whether the raid wiped or not. Obviously this is situational cause you can't spend 25 minutes after each wipe talking about what to try next but it sortof illustrates my point (I think).

Having said that, I am still in the phase of learning to heal where I don't really get too much time to watch what's going on fight-wise other than watching health bars, so my input yet will be minimal tactically. I'm improving bit by bit though.

tl;dr: I want to know what the tactics are, anyone got a link?

I use http://www.wowwiki.com/Naxxramas (then hit the links to the individual bosses)
the videos at the very bottom are particularly useful

Temple wrote:

Akaris wrote:Its not the idea of " Doesn't involve me - Don't wana know ".

I seem to have mis-aimed my comment, it was meant light heartedly . My outlook definitely is NOT that I'm not interested if it doesn't involve me . Tbh if I'm part of the raid (and the fact that I'm a control freak), I want to know what to expect.

In my defence the raid encounters I've been on so far were short notice jobbies ("there's 10 of us on - lets go VOA") where I didn't have time to look for tactics first, and in honesty I felt rather uncomfortable not knowing what to expect, my confidence bolstered only by knowing Aka was there too .

I've yet to experience the same kind of crapping myself and responsibility I feel as a healer than in any other role i've ever played in an MMO, much as it's a game, I take my part in it and the team quite seriously (saddo that I am). This is why I only roll on Pally healer gear and not DPS or Tank even if offspec rolls are allowed (which I think surprised ppl in the run the other day) - I'm ONLY thinking in terms of healing until I feel I'm getting it right.

I posted previously that from other games I'm more used to having a post mortem after each fight (read: boss) giving each person an opportunity to voice their opinion on what happened and what could be done more effectively whether the raid wiped or not. Obviously this is situational cause you can't spend 25 minutes after each wipe talking about what to try next but it sortof illustrates my point (I think).

Having said that, I am still in the phase of learning to heal where I don't really get too much time to watch what's going on fight-wise other than watching health bars, so my input yet will be minimal tactically. I'm improving bit by bit though.

tl;dr: I want to know what the tactics are, anyone got a link?

I wasn't aiming that at you personaly, or ment it to be a serious rant at you. I was purely summarizing the effect of not knowing tactics, just so happens that you bought it up. So i thought it'd be good to actualy counter the answer that someone could say.

Akaris wrote:I wasn't aiming that at you personaly, or ment it to be a serious rant at you. I was purely summarizing the effect of not knowing tactics, just so happens that you bought it up. So i thought it'd be good to actualy counter the answer that someone could say.

Groovy , I wondered if I'd overplayed that reply - sometimes when I start typing I find it hard to stop

Your points were very good ones, I'm just paranoid about not being a top class healer yet

and to Tesh - I got off my lazy butt and looked up the wiki after my reply hehehehe - cheers both

Nice... I feel a lot of good energy in this topic right now and that is good....

One more thing wourth mantioning it might be redundent but her it goes ...DPS remember to maximight your output and have soem kind of rotation workt out. Ther is a lot of tipps out ther if your like me a bit lacy or just a little dull.... I alsaw find a progrem where you can put in your gear, buff etc and see what your damige output is in diffrent dituations (i haven instald it jest sins am at work but i will check it out tonaight and if its good i will post it).

I went for swim today and often whene im thinking of anything my mind drifts to wow. And i thought of allot off tipps for and pitfalls in raiding on a more IRL aspect so to say but i will post that later whene i have more time to wright ... right now its back to work....