How to: Raid pulls.
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Re: How to: Raid pulls.
Temple wrote:Akaris wrote:I wasn't aiming that at you personaly, or ment it to be a serious rant at you. I was purely summarizing the effect of not knowing tactics, just so happens that you bought it up. So i thought it'd be good to actualy counter the answer that someone could say.
Groovy , I wondered if I'd overplayed that reply - sometimes when I start typing I find it hard to stop
Your points were very good ones, I'm just paranoid about not being a top class healer yet
and to Tesh - I got off my lazy butt and looked up the wiki after my reply hehehehe - cheers both
I do the same thing at times.
Akaris- Posts : 425
Join date : 2008-08-02
Age : 37
Location : Staffordshire - UK
Re: How to: Raid pulls.
Yea was just to tell that Aka didnt mean to hit you personaly it is just a left ower from our first run when few of us read the tacts and then at one time me, Aka, Buc and Leanah typed tacts which only added to confusion after which I proclaimed one person to type it so to avoid it. This is still ok when we PUG, not every player will know tacts so some typing is helpfull and easier when 1 person does it! But we can avoid it alltogether if we look for people who know tacts!
I think all of us from at the time of the first run read the tacts and we still wiped on second plague boss. Couse you need to experience it first hand to get the feel for it. So yea wipes will be there and thats no mean to give up then but to struggle harder! Besides fight like that boss is impossible to explain you HAVE to read on that one, also the 4 horseman - how in hell to explain it easily?? that one will be tons of fun!
But in the end I think one person should lead the raid, and lay down basis for fights before hand. 3-4 sentences and we are off, that will be easy on ventrilo! For example Gothik fights - you 4 on living side and 6 of the others undead side, living take it easier so that undead can kill its side in time and not get overwhelmed!
And I as MT can just run from group to group of mobs till bosses but I also need to know that you guys will be behind me then. Also we need one to lead the raid especialy if I am going to run headlong from mob packs to another! We need someone to survey the situation in order for all to go allright. For Example Zu is Afk, and we need one to just say lets go clear further until he returns or wait for him and use your break for toilet nad whatever! Not to go around like headless chickens will we or wont we. We need one voice to tell us go and stop!
I can do it couse now I have a real nice picture what some of you can and canot heal how much mana you need and whatnot. Also I have a pretty good idea when the DPS will be slower and I know which DPS we can afford to wait and which one we cannot! But that means I wont be able to run from mob to mob without a break!
Example gargoyle fights in plague, he casts stoneform and regains all his HP. There is a few secs time on cast when gargoyle needs to be killed (its not interuptablle bealive me I tried) so it's pointless to go in that fight without highest ranking DPS there, while on some fights highest DPS is expendable. It will last a bit longer but we can live with that.
Yea and I put a link in raid recruitment thread for tacts so we all read from same sourece. Read the posts Temple
I think all of us from at the time of the first run read the tacts and we still wiped on second plague boss. Couse you need to experience it first hand to get the feel for it. So yea wipes will be there and thats no mean to give up then but to struggle harder! Besides fight like that boss is impossible to explain you HAVE to read on that one, also the 4 horseman - how in hell to explain it easily?? that one will be tons of fun!
But in the end I think one person should lead the raid, and lay down basis for fights before hand. 3-4 sentences and we are off, that will be easy on ventrilo! For example Gothik fights - you 4 on living side and 6 of the others undead side, living take it easier so that undead can kill its side in time and not get overwhelmed!
And I as MT can just run from group to group of mobs till bosses but I also need to know that you guys will be behind me then. Also we need one to lead the raid especialy if I am going to run headlong from mob packs to another! We need someone to survey the situation in order for all to go allright. For Example Zu is Afk, and we need one to just say lets go clear further until he returns or wait for him and use your break for toilet nad whatever! Not to go around like headless chickens will we or wont we. We need one voice to tell us go and stop!
I can do it couse now I have a real nice picture what some of you can and canot heal how much mana you need and whatnot. Also I have a pretty good idea when the DPS will be slower and I know which DPS we can afford to wait and which one we cannot! But that means I wont be able to run from mob to mob without a break!
Example gargoyle fights in plague, he casts stoneform and regains all his HP. There is a few secs time on cast when gargoyle needs to be killed (its not interuptablle bealive me I tried) so it's pointless to go in that fight without highest ranking DPS there, while on some fights highest DPS is expendable. It will last a bit longer but we can live with that.
Yea and I put a link in raid recruitment thread for tacts so we all read from same sourece. Read the posts Temple
Teshija- Posts : 1986
Join date : 2008-07-25
Location : Zagreb, Croatia
Re: How to: Raid pulls.
Leanah1 wrote:Nice...
One more thing wourth mantioning it might be redundent but her it goes ...DPS remember to maximight your output and have soem kind of rotation workt out. Ther is a lot of tipps out ther if your like me a bit lacy or just a little dull.... I alsaw find a progrem where you can put in your gear, buff etc and see what your damige output is in diffrent dituations (i haven instald it jest sins am at work but i will check it out tonaight and if its good i will post it).
Isnt that the purpose of those practice dummies in main cities?
Teshija- Posts : 1986
Join date : 2008-07-25
Location : Zagreb, Croatia
Re: How to: Raid pulls.
Teshija wrote:Leanah1 wrote:Nice...
One more thing wourth mantioning it might be redundent but her it goes ...DPS remember to maximight your output and have soem kind of rotation workt out. Ther is a lot of tipps out ther if your like me a bit lacy or just a little dull.... I alsaw find a progrem where you can put in your gear, buff etc and see what your damige output is in diffrent dituations (i haven instald it jest sins am at work but i will check it out tonaight and if its good i will post it).
Isnt that the purpose of those practice dummies in main cities?
Yep.
Akaris- Posts : 425
Join date : 2008-08-02
Age : 37
Location : Staffordshire - UK
Re: How to: Raid pulls.
Teshija wrote:Yea was just to tell that Aka didnt mean to hit you personaly it is just a left ower from our first run when few of us read the tacts and then at one time me, Aka, Buc and Leanah typed tacts which only added to confusion after which I proclaimed one person to type it so to avoid it. This is still ok when we PUG, not every player will know tacts so some typing is helpfull and easier when 1 person does it! But we can avoid it alltogether if we look for people who know tacts!
I think all of us from at the time of the first run read the tacts and we still wiped on second plague boss. Couse you need to experience it first hand to get the feel for it. So yea wipes will be there and thats no mean to give up then but to struggle harder! Besides fight like that boss is impossible to explain you HAVE to read on that one, also the 4 horseman - how in hell to explain it easily?? that one will be tons of fun!
But in the end I think one person should lead the raid, and lay down basis for fights before hand. 3-4 sentences and we are off, that will be easy on ventrilo! For example Gothik fights - you 4 on living side and 6 of the others undead side, living take it easier so that undead can kill its side in time and not get overwhelmed!
And I as MT can just run from group to group of mobs till bosses but I also need to know that you guys will be behind me then. Also we need one to lead the raid especialy if I am going to run headlong from mob packs to another! We need someone to survey the situation in order for all to go allright. For Example Zu is Afk, and we need one to just say lets go clear further until he returns or wait for him and use your break for toilet nad whatever! Not to go around like headless chickens will we or wont we. We need one voice to tell us go and stop!
I can do it couse now I have a real nice picture what some of you can and canot heal how much mana you need and whatnot. Also I have a pretty good idea when the DPS will be slower and I know which DPS we can afford to wait and which one we cannot! But that means I wont be able to run from mob to mob without a break!
Example gargoyle fights in plague, he casts stoneform and regains all his HP. There is a few secs time on cast when gargoyle needs to be killed (its not interuptablle bealive me I tried) so it's pointless to go in that fight without highest ranking DPS there, while on some fights highest DPS is expendable. It will last a bit longer but we can live with that.
Yea and I put a link in raid recruitment thread for tacts so we all read from same sourece. Read the posts Temple
Completely agree.
Also i love the idea of saying " Whos not ready? ". Afterall, your in a raid, your not afk, you are ready. Shouldn't need to ask.
Akaris- Posts : 425
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Re: How to: Raid pulls.
I'd like to officially name this day 'Wall of Text Friday'
Temple- Posts : 409
Join date : 2008-07-27
Re: How to: Raid pulls.
Teshija wrote:Leanah1 wrote:Nice...
One more thing wourth mantioning it might be redundent but her it goes ...DPS remember to maximight your output and have soem kind of rotation workt out. Ther is a lot of tipps out ther if your like me a bit lacy or just a little dull.... I alsaw find a progrem where you can put in your gear, buff etc and see what your damige output is in diffrent dituations (i haven instald it jest sins am at work but i will check it out tonaight and if its good i will post it).
Isnt that the purpose of those practice dummies in main cities?
Well yes but i think this program is better it gives a better statistic account i hope. For instens the outpot might differ if you get interupted alot or have to keep moving but then again i need to check it out to knowe better.... It alsaw take into account pots and other buffs...
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Re: How to: Raid pulls.
Temple wrote:I'd like to officially name this day 'Wall of Text Friday'
I have to agree but im horrified whene i think of all the work i have faild to do today....
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Re: How to: Raid pulls.
Well I manged to get all my stuff done and just at the moment before leaving for home boss gets one of his brainstorms and Ill be stuck here again
A well, the scientific possibilityes in those 2 hours....................................
A well, the scientific possibilityes in those 2 hours....................................
Teshija- Posts : 1986
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Re: How to: Raid pulls.
Teshija wrote:A well, the scientific possibilityes in those 2 hours....................................
This phrase makes me scared
Temple- Posts : 409
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Re: How to: Raid pulls.
hehe Tes i knowe the feeling im at the moment readyn corses at a speed of 225%, Geting data for a abstract thats due in one week (that alsaw has to be wrighten), wrighting an resurge proposal for a scolerchip. And stil my boss commes whit new ideas that need to be tested... Well i think in the life of a PhD student one will have to learn to say "no" and "stop"........ hmmm now i wouldering if i shall start to move my fabulas ass home i just need to do a few more things befor i go (translation atleast 1 more hour)... And work tomorrow as wel..... ... Well this is the life i chose so no sens moaning about it .... one just need to vent stuf like this some time....
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